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SonofGrenth · Jul 01, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Why do Iway and Balanced hate each other?

This was the question i needed to anwser to a new Gw player, and i didn't have the answer. So can anyone tell me why they hate each other, and when did the hating start?

Yanman.be · Jul 01, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Balanced says iway takes no skills ( partially true, especially pre-nerf )

iway hates balanced because balanced keeps mocking iway!

SonofGrenth · Jul 01, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

I play iway for some time now, and most of the time we win from balanced teams, unless they are really good. Well, dual smite(also a balanced) is even played more then iway, atm Imo.

About the skills, the W/e builds are almost all the same, smiters use the same skills, taint is always the same, so i think balanced needs to look at themselves first, since BOTH builds pick multiple characters with same skills (or minor changes)

~Tiger

tomcruisejr · Jul 01, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

iway is the only effective build that ever existed without primary monks. and it brought skills that balanced builds wont even think about bringing. and that caused many "balanced" player to complain i guess.

noone hated warmachine's 4 warrior 2 crippler 2 monk build back then. heck its 1 step closer to iway.

iway and balanced are opposite builds. so the hate is naturally there. and toss in some cheesy stuffs that "iway destroyed my /rank emote which i got from playing ranger spike, overpowered smite and edenial builds, air spike and spirit spam thingie"

kryshnysh · Jul 02, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

Balanced says iway takes no skills ( partially true, especially pre-nerf )

iway hates balanced because balanced keeps mocking iway!

Partially. Also because IWAY is a "gimmick" and most balanced players dislike "gimmick builds." IWAY seems to draw more hate than Ranger Spike, Blood Spike, probably because it is more popular.

Hating rose as popularity rose. Similar to SB/RI or Triple Smite in GvG, the more they are played ("abused" to some), the more they are hated.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 02, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Also partially because balanced players are tired of PLAYING IWAY ON 9/10S OF THEIR MATCHES.

The Real Roy Keane · Jul 02, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

I'm honestly not sure where it all comes from - you hear RA players who haven't even got HA on their map moaning about IWAY.

Evilsod · Jul 02, 2006, 01:07 AM // 01:07

IWAY are most likely to have a huge e-penis. Thats why.

dbgtboy · Jul 02, 2006, 01:44 AM // 01:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

IWAY are most likely to have a huge e-penis. Thats why.

actually its kinda the other way around, its almost always the balanced team trash talking the iway and thinkin that they are so great.

Random Nonsense · Jul 02, 2006, 02:11 AM // 02:11

http://guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3029450

art_ · Jul 02, 2006, 05:20 AM // 05:20

you can't explain the reasons in one post

and yah see random nonsense's link

SonofGrenth · Jul 02, 2006, 09:45 AM // 09:45

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Also partially because balanced players are tired of PLAYING IWAY ON 9/10S OF THEIR MATCHES.

If balanced players hate this so much, why are they always complaining about Iway, if they are bored it would mean they would win from it. And if they win, they get fame/rank. So why are they tired of "free" fame?

~The Fame Shark

phasola · Jul 02, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06

because 80% of tombs is iway
and because it rendered fame useless. sure fame wasnt that great to begin with, but at least past gimmicks (spirit spam, smite, r spike) got nerfed (some more than others).
i've been playing tombs since smite nerf and back in those days r3+ pugs were king. now pugs = dead

Quote:

If balanced players hate this so much, why are they always complaining about Iway, if they are bored it would mean they would win from it. And if they win, they get fame/rank. So why are they tired of "free" fame?

it's like playing CS with bots, you know you win, but is it any fun ?
PS : iway is annoying on relic runs

Outkast · Jul 02, 2006, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by phasola

because 80% of tombs is iway

Clearly thats coming from someone who doesn't play too often anymore. I'd say at this moment its probably more like 15-20% of tombs play iway. This is roughly what I'm currently seeing out there.... give or take a little.

Smite - 30%
Iway - 15%
Necro Spike = 15%
Ele fire ballers - 10%
Vim - 10%
Healing Smite ballers - 5%
Ranger Spike - 5%
Others - 10%

Stupid Shizno · Jul 02, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

I think the hate is over iway more then any other gimmick build because iway'ers like MATH and MTRX dont die. Everyone was happy with the nerf on IWAY in the huge skill balance, but IWAY is still here, probably here to stay. No more tainted or resolve trapper, now its dual orders and martyr, and rit lord. Alot of builds that were gimmicks got nerfed, but no one took the time to remake the build, with IWAY being so powerful (dps wise) ofcourse someone was going to remake the build, you dont see many people trying to try "new" r-spike.

I just find it funny watching observer, about two weeks ago EvIL lost to Iway in dark chambers.

Chooby · Jul 02, 2006, 12:53 PM // 12:53

I play balanced always, I have never played IWAY before, at all, PERIOD!

Now, let me tell you why I don't play IWAY:
1) The people in ANY IWAY team seem to have minimal understanding of the game
2) They shit talk at the end of rounds, so it shows me that they are not nice people, hence the reason I wouldn't play with them.

The reason I hate IWAYers is the simple reason that most of them are just dim-wits that can't string together an argument if their life depended on it.
If you get shit talking from another balanced its usually like "Hehe, your build sucks, your mesmer casts conjure before migraine too." (Notice how the spelling and grammar is exceptable). The shit talking you get from an IWAYer is usually along the lines of "lol noob i hit good and you died lol your build suck go back to heroes hahahaha noob" (Notice "1337speak", no capitalisation of letters and no punctuation)

And thats why I hate IWAYers

yesitsrob · Jul 02, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Wow, stereotyping.

IWAY is no more lame than any other tombs gimmick out there, any guild that runs iway all the time, or any gimmick all the time is largely horrible at running a proper balanced build... there is a significant amount of proof of this, mainly on the ladder as opposed to HA.

But seriously, if you want to play for fame, run a gimmick... IWAY, ranger spike, necro spike any of these no talent builds. HA game type encourages it >_>

lord of shadow · Jul 02, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chooby

I play balanced always, I have never played IWAY before, at all, PERIOD!

Now, let me tell you why I don't play IWAY:
1) The people in ANY IWAY team seem to have minimal understanding of the game
2) They shit talk at the end of rounds, so it shows me that they are not nice people, hence the reason I wouldn't play with them.

The reason I hate IWAYers is the simple reason that most of them are just dim-wits that can't string together an argument if their life depended on it.
If you get shit talking from another balanced its usually like "Hehe, your build sucks, your mesmer casts conjure before migraine too." (Notice how the spelling and grammar is exceptable). The shit talking you get from an IWAYer is usually along the lines of "lol noob i hit good and you died lol your build suck go back to heroes hahahaha noob" (Notice "1337speak", no capitalisation of letters and no punctuation)

And thats why I hate IWAYers

1: Should be depends, you seem to be unable to grasp that "can't" is present tense and "depended" is past.

2: Should be acceptable, that's just stupid.

3: Never start a sentance with "and".

The moral of the story is don't complain about incorrect grammar, semantics or punctuation (you have a sticky CAPSLOCK key and a period button that only seems to work half the time) unless you have a good grasp of the english language- especially when you are just plain wrong.

Now for an actual point:

I find it impossible to believe that every IWAY group you have met has flamed you. I very rarely see people in my groups flaming, on the rare occasion that someone does flame they get kicked, by me, and replaced.

The number of flames that my guild/alliance has recieved for simply playing a build which isn't even 20% of tombs at the moment is so unfathomably large that i sincerely doubt you can comprehend it.

As for a minimal understanding of the game: Why does an iway spirit spammer have no skill because he is spamming for iway? Why is it that when i infuse a spike using only 12 healing i obviously have no skill because the player i infused was playing iway? Why is it that i have no skill when i kite from a w/e on my necro but a monk playing dualsmite that stands still with 2 w/rs on him lost because he had skill but the other team were noob iwayers?
[/rhetorical question spam]

That's all for now, please don't make baseless, sweeping and incredibly untrue generalisations in future.

-xian

SonofGrenth · Jul 02, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

I see many seem to think iway is a noob build. I dont agree, iway has survived many changes and nerfs, and Iway still lives.

Also, if you call Iway noob before a battle, and then you lose form them big time, who is the noob? iway or you?

~The Fame Shark

Rebirther · Jul 02, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

Everyone flames IWAY because it is a build that doesn't require much skill, teamwork and co-ordination, but this is only half true.
.....yes of course group formation is easy and doesn't require a lenghty amount of time, no need for voice communication as the roles are plain and simple and this is the core of the build, it's self sufficient and easy to grasp.
However you'll be suprised how effective an IWAY build can be, if it is led correctly and if the teamwork and co-ordination is there it can be as strong as any other build, but this is not always the case as the vast majority who play this build are led by incompetent individuals.

I'm not a fan of IWAY mainly because I prefer to be in a team that has a great flexibility of co-ordination and one that doesn't have players rage quitting because they lost the first round.